Herman and his cousin are playing a game where they pick up colored sticks. herman currently has 14 points and likes to pick up the teal sticks, earning 4 points every turn. his cousin just lost all her points on the previous turn, and has a strategy to catch up by getting all the red ones, earning 5 points per turn. in a certain number of turns, the score will be tied. how long will that take? how many points will they each have?